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Mike Moschos's avatar

Super well written and interesting! And your on to something with the "prey" and "predator" labeling. Regarding Peter Turchin, there is a glaring error in Turchin's recent book that also, in a way, presents a potential logical contradiction within the book, and outside of that, also has great potential meaning for the broader related discussions. On page 8 he writes: "At the end of the first age of discord in the US, the governing elites, frightened by the levels of political violence that it wrought, managed to pull together and agree on a set of reforms that brought the first age of discord to an end. These reforms were initiated during the Progressive Era, starting around 1900, and finalized during the New Deal of the 1930s."

The error, and is demonstrably an error, is that the Progressive Era was NOT an project driven by a string national center, like its predecessor era, the Populist Era, almost all of what occurred was done at the local and state levels. The Progressives, most of whom did not refer to themselves as that at the time, were not a movement per se, at least not in the sense of being organizational involved, but rather a great many (hundreds, at least) of small groups across the country who formed, deliberated, and acted independently of each other. He may be mistaken because of observing them being common members of the same political parties, typically the Democratic Party, but this is in error because our two parties used to be fundamentally completely different. The Republican and Democratic parties of old were decentralized and publicly accessible mass-member parties that were much of the basis of the democratic governance structures of a semi-populist, semi-politically decentralized, semi-economically decentralize, semi-culturally decentralized, and semi-scientifically decentralized system where local areas not only had far more controls over their local resources (because federal revenue collection was so much smaller, among other things), they also had the power to engage in policy spheres, such as the key economic ones, that we have long since now foolishly consigned to being the sole purview of the National government (and capital "G" Globalism tried to bring some of them even farther away than that!). To a lesser but still quit substantial extent, this also holds for the 1930s New Deal Era, which I believe he falsely believes, and again, that he would be in error here can clearly demonstrated, to have been a centralized technocratic dictatorship

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the long warred's avatar

I think you may be overestimating the moderates, then again you may be one.

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