So far, we haven't taken any commercial supplements of polyamines, just a couple ounces of sharp cheddar cheese (spermidine and putrescine), occasional wheat germ (mostly spermidine), and a daily citrus fruit of some sort (putrescine). The commerical stuff is pretty expensive. There is quite a bit of spermidine and putrescine in peas, beans, and corn, though -- see the highlighted Table at the end of https://grundvilk.substack.com/p/a-systems-hypothesis-nicely-explaining. If you can't eat citrus fruits, there is a whole lot of putrescine in sauer kraut (or kim-chi) -- see https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-the-average-spermidine-Z8SLJzBJQHmGa.rSGBXtzg. The same bacteria that make cheddar cheeses sharp, make sauer kraut sour.
Also, have you tried taking a lactaid tablet before eating cheese or any other milk product to see if that alleviates dairy-related digestion and/or allergy problems? (This works extremely well for my wife.)
As suggested here (https://grundvilk.substack.com/p/the-u-shaped-curve-polyamines-and), it's possible that it's gut bacteria starving for putrescine that may be creating overall human polyamine shortfalls past middle age. It would be interesting for someone to try just eating foods rich in putrescine - like a couple of tangerines or an orange a day -- and see if that causes any noticeable shifts in their muscle mass and fat mass. Maybe that would be enough to do the trick.
Thanks for this! I use a renphro but will probably get the Omron. What polyamine supplement do you take? Can't eat cheese or wheat.
So far, we haven't taken any commercial supplements of polyamines, just a couple ounces of sharp cheddar cheese (spermidine and putrescine), occasional wheat germ (mostly spermidine), and a daily citrus fruit of some sort (putrescine). The commerical stuff is pretty expensive. There is quite a bit of spermidine and putrescine in peas, beans, and corn, though -- see the highlighted Table at the end of https://grundvilk.substack.com/p/a-systems-hypothesis-nicely-explaining. If you can't eat citrus fruits, there is a whole lot of putrescine in sauer kraut (or kim-chi) -- see https://www.perplexity.ai/search/what-is-the-average-spermidine-Z8SLJzBJQHmGa.rSGBXtzg. The same bacteria that make cheddar cheeses sharp, make sauer kraut sour.
Also, have you tried taking a lactaid tablet before eating cheese or any other milk product to see if that alleviates dairy-related digestion and/or allergy problems? (This works extremely well for my wife.)
As suggested here (https://grundvilk.substack.com/p/the-u-shaped-curve-polyamines-and), it's possible that it's gut bacteria starving for putrescine that may be creating overall human polyamine shortfalls past middle age. It would be interesting for someone to try just eating foods rich in putrescine - like a couple of tangerines or an orange a day -- and see if that causes any noticeable shifts in their muscle mass and fat mass. Maybe that would be enough to do the trick.