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I appreciate your reply. Thank you. But to me (& most of my peer group), collapse is well underway. I live in Australia... one of the highest living standards in the world. BUT... I was born in 1947 in one of Australias capital cities (Brisbane). Today here are a list of problems not present in the 50's & 60's as I grew into my twenties & bought my first house that cost me 20% more than my annual salary. All of these problems are directly related to massive decline in available energy per capita & therefore the cost per unit of energy (petrol/gasoline for example.

Problems today not present in 1960's. Or present at extremely small unnoticed rates

1). Homelessness... & growing

2). Drug epidemic & drug addiction

3). Youth suicide (Australia about 7th globally.... so much for our high living standards).

4). Unaffordable housing. (My first house in 1979 cost me 20% more than my annual salary. Today average house price close to AUD$1.5m. Average full time salary about AUD$80,000. So just under 20 years of 100% of your (Before Tax) salary to buy an average home in a capital city..... This is COLLAPSE.).

5). Fuel costs. In 1970 in Australia petrol/gasoline cost 4 cents per litre (not a misprint). It cost me AUD$2.00 to fill my V8 Ford in 1970. Today my V8 Land Cruiser (120 Litre tank). Costs about $250 to fill. This is Energy Collapse due to decreasing EROEI.

6). In 1960's & 1970, it cost about $1 million AUD to build 2 km of 2 lane road... today, due to energy & employment costs it is AUD $500 million per km for freeways in cities.

7) Because of the above figure, infrastructure in Australia is horrendous. Our cities are traffic clogged, our secondary country roads are unimproved, our tertiary roads are pot holed disasters.

8). City life has declined alarmingly, small apartments, clogged streets, extensive 90+ minute commutes for outliers in cheaper fringe suburbs packed & inadequate public transport, no intracity metro systems. Add this to the drug & homeless problems noted above....City life declines alarmingly.

9). So escape to lovely country towns... we have lots of these. And yes, there is a major demographic shift to these lovely towns. But you should have done that 25 years ago. Now, real estate prices in these life style towns are the same as the cities... in other words, basically unaffordable to the average person.

10). Australia has huge coal, natural gas & uranium reserves.... BUT we have NO fuel/oil. We import 97% of our petrol/diesel needs. We are totally dependent on middle east Sheikhdoms & other dodgy countries for our agriculture, construction & transport industries, let alone private transport. We are 3 weeks (storage is 20 to 25 days) away from disaster. Let this sink in for a moment. Australia is less than 1 month away from no food in supermarkets, no agriculture transport, no food processing or distribution. If this is not impending collapse... please reassure me that solar panels & Tesla trucks will save us. OMG?

11). Because of our coal fired electricity system & our coal exports and our car culture and our cities horrendous public transport options... Australia is the highest per capita polluters of Carbon. BOOM. There goes our fresh, clean, green image

12). A final quick note... New Zealand's energy situation (No oil. No coal. No natural gas). Is even worse than Australias.

All of the above problems are a direct result of declining energy.

So... to me, civilisation decline is obvious. And worsening. Let's revisit this discussion and observations in 2030, and 2050.

Aa for Global Warming.. thank you for the reference. Yes, crops will still be grown in high temperatures of the future. But, increasing droughts, farm land deterioration, lower crop yields will lead to increasing food insecurity. I was in India last month.. my third visit since 1977. A classic case of overshoot, food insecurity and poverty. Go check out the families living in the dirt under freeways... offer their begging children a $5 bill.... and watch what happens. This is all a result of the collapse of our oil dependent civilisation. Add in sea level rise of over 1 metre by 2100... Mass migration inlands to places already overcrowded, city inundation (already happening in Miami & coastal areas everywhere... see Bangladesh disaster), food insecurity and energy decline as described in the article we are discussing. It's all over for millions of people. And that's collapse.

Thank you for your reply. I really appreciate it. As I stated in my first comment, EROEI (and Energy Density).... both declining significantly, are never discussed but are the critical parameters for industrial civilisation. Your article was brilliant.

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This is undoubtedly the most important metric in the coming collapse of industrial/technological civilization. Declining EROEI below maintenance needs PLUS Global Warming/Sea Level rise will doom modern civilization well before the end of this century.

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